jssangel ([info]jssangel) wrote,
@ 2008-03-20 19:16:00
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I Am The (S)hero of The Story
Dissenter said this:

Slash: Workin' for The Man Every Night And Day

I said:

I don't buy your equation of homosocial and homosexual behavior, nor the conclusions that you draw from it. The Patriarchy regularly gags on homosexual identity - the repeated (institutionalized!) criminalization of gay behavior all over the world makes that clear. Even if you base your argument on a subconscious or subsocial link between the two, you'd have to grant the that by willfully ignoring vast swaths of negative cultural presentation on the subject, slash writers have seized (and colonized) ground that the Patriarchy labeled taboo.

In what way is that not feminist, and, indeed, radical?

Is it because slash is - as you say - so phallocentric? But why is the appropriation of male sexual identity in the service of female pleasure not - at least - an upending of the Patriarchy's dominance over the erotic sphere?

The source material itself is often witlessly misogynist - granted. And maybe there is a thread to be pursued here re: why and how slash/fanfic writers identify the source texts that interest them...

But I believe that by co-opting the male leads in a pop-culture narrative, and portraying them as sexually attracted to and pleasured by the same attributes and behaviors that attract and pleasure the (as you say) heterosexual female author - slash as a genre is tremendously (and subversively) feminist.


Also - as I may have mentioned here before: I'm pretty confident about my feminist street cred, I am consciously and enthusiastically engaging in a network of cyber-sexual relationships with other women, and yes, I also like dick.

ETA: AWESOME. She just deleted my comment.




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[info]monanotlisa
2008-03-21 12:41 am UTC (link)
I'm pretty confident about my feminist street cred, and yes, I also like dick.



(Did you see your userinfo? Incidentally not about this.)

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Hoppy Easter To You!
[info]jssangel
2008-03-21 01:05 am UTC (link)
aww - I just looked! Thank you!

...And how is that not about this? It's identical bunnies kissing! Clearly, they're gay! (The question is; are they boy bunnies, perpetrating the patriarchy and oppressing marshmallow chicks everywhere, or are they girl bunnies, celebrating their spiraling cyber-network of lesbian love?

I hope your Easter is joyful and inspiring.

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Re: Hoppy Easter To You!
[info]monanotlisa
2008-03-21 01:11 am UTC (link)
...And how is that not about this? It's identical bunnies kissing! Clearly, they're gay! (The question is; are they boy bunnies, perpetrating the patriarchy and oppressing marshmallow chicks everywhere, or are they girl bunnies, celebrating their spiraling cyber-network of lesbian love?

*g* It's so hard to tell with bunnies! But you're right: gay either way.

Happy Easter, Angel!

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[info]booklady
2008-03-21 01:42 am UTC (link)
You subversive chick!

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[info]jssangel
2008-03-21 02:13 am UTC (link)
and I'm versive too! I'm the whole package, baby!

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[info]mirabile_dictu
2008-03-21 04:25 am UTC (link)
You are too cool *admires you*

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[info]jssangel
2008-03-24 12:14 am UTC (link)
aww, shucks! *blushes"* (in an entirely feminist and empowered manner)

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[info]solvent90
2008-03-21 07:57 am UTC (link)
ETA: AWESOME. She just deleted my comment.

me too! *feminist solidarity*

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[info]jssangel
2008-03-24 12:13 am UTC (link)
go sister, go!

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[info]linaerys
2008-03-23 01:07 pm UTC (link)
That's an excellent comment.

Sheesh, how radical can her feminism possibly be if it can't stand up to the least bit of scrutiny and argument.

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[info]jssangel
2008-03-24 12:13 am UTC (link)
thanks!
hee hee!
The first response I started typing to her was a lot more, "Are you on crack? What slash story have you ever read where the guys break up and end up marrying chicks?" - but I noticed her snotty comment about how she wasn't addressing slashers, just feminists, and I wondered what she'd do if confronted with the info that plenty of people are both. Heh.

It's actually a shame what a shackass scholar she is - gives smart feminists a bad name.

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[info]sonddra68
2008-05-23 10:57 am UTC (link)
So be it

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